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Hello and welcome to today's
press conference in the wake

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of the 149th government meeting.
The head of the Information Security

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Office Uroš Svete will present
the Information Security Bill.

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We'll later be joined by the Health
Minister. The floor is yours.

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Thank you. The government
is continuing its efforts

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to improve cyber resilience
in Slovenia.

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After financial and personnel
consolidation,

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it approved the new Information
Security Bill, ZINV-1, today.

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It will enable a step forward
in terms of the legal framework

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and ensuring information
security.

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The bill has two basic goals:

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to transfer the NIS-2 Directive
into Slovenian's legal framework

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and to further develop
the capacities

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of Slovenia's cyber defense,

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which we've defined
in the legislation from 2018.

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The key features of the bill
will affect

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the entire ecosystem
and society as a whole.

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The parties covered by the law
will include both corporations

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and public administration.

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Because of the NIS-2 Directive,
we're increasing

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the number of sectors
covered by the legitimation.

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The standardized methodology
used to define them

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on the EU level will increase
their number in Slovenia.

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We expect there to be
more than a thousand

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when the self-registration process
is completed.

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On the other hand, information
security is increasingly focused

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toward higher
resilience and competitiveness

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of the Slovenian economy,
which is strongly export-oriented

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and is a part of larger
supply chains

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and therefore has a strong
effect on other segments

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in the EU and elsewhere.

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We see the bill as an important
step toward better detection

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and faster responses to
cybersecurity threats,

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as well as less economic damage
of the type caused

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over the years
by cybersecurity incidents

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in Slovenia and elsewhere.

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Among the specific
characteristics in Slovenia's case

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we have initiatives and goals
connected with capacity.

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The bill introduces technical
working groups to provide

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additional assistance in case
of security incidents.

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Cyber defense, including cyber
reserves, will be better defined.

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We're including both private
and public entities.

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We're also setting up proactive
elements of cybersecurity,

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especially in connection with
the newly established

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Cyber Defense Situation Center,
which our office is setting up

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on an inter-ministerial level.
We feel that based

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on our experience over the past
few years,

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when cyberspace emerged
as a key

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arena in geopolitics,
we will further strengthen

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our cooperation and response
to cyber threats and incidents

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in Slovenia an EU as a whole.
Thank you.

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Thank you. Any questions
from the media?

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Lea Majcen, Slovenian Press Agency.
What will this act look like

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in practice? You mentioned
the public sector and businesses.

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Within both corporations
and the ministries,

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we'll have offices that will be
responsible for this.

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How will that work?
-The first step will entail

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self-registration by all entities.

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We'll provide the necessary
information support

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to ensure that mid-sized
and large corporations

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in the listed sectors, given
a certain number of employees

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and revenue, will be covered
by the legislation.

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That's the first step.

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To answer your question,
everyone covered by the law,

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whether in the public
or private sector,

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will need to take several measures.
There are 17 of them,

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and they are coordinated
on the EU level,

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so they are the same
in all countries.

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They include risk assessment,
plans for cyber incidents,

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plans for the uninterrupted
functioning of their key services,

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cooperation with other entities,
and so on.

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This means that they'll
need to get their IT sectors

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in order, and, if necessary,
demand the same

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from their suppliers
and partners.

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We'd like to see
everyone subject to this law

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have their own capacity,
but the number of experts

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in Slovenia and elsewhere
is very limited.

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That's why companies will need
to connect with others abroad,

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the state, and trade
associations,

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and carry out things that way.

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With this legislation and NIS,
we're returning cybersecurity

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to the basics. This isn't
a technical issue;

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it's a management issue,
an issue for those responsible.

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It's all about how IT technology
enables the public sector

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and other sectors to carry
out their key services.

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That's the key when we consider

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how to protect
and manage the services

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to ensure as few
incidents as possible.

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You mentioned the Center
for Cybersecurity.

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You'll correct the name.
Will this center be a part

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of your office and when
will it launch?

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I spoke about the Cyber Defense
Situation Center.

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It's an additional security service
that doesn't exclude

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the capacity provided
by those subject to the law.

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Instead, the state will
use hardware and software

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as "sensors" to ensure additional
monitoring,

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ranging from critical infrastructure

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to the defense and public sectors,
as well as all others.

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We've seen that we need
to transition

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from reactive cybersecurity
to a proactive process.

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Mere reliance on antivirus
software is not enough.

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These days, we're facing
cyber threats

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created with IA
to bypass these defenses,

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so we need additional
monitoring and network systems,

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so we'll set up the center
under the auspices of our office.

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Among the important elements
of the bill is a platform

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for the self-registration
of covered entities

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and platforms for the safe
exchange of information.

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Will this be the responsibility
of the center or each unit?

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This will be the responsibility
of our office, not the center.

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You described the mechanisms
used to ensure that the law

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doesn't become
a bureaucratic hurdle.

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We know that companies are facing
substantial regulations,

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ranging from privacy protection
to critical infrastructure.

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As for security activity,
we'll standardize

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communication between
state bodies and companies.

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Everyone covered
by the Critical Infrastructure Act,

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which was recently passed
by Parliament,

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and those covered by our law
will use a single platform.

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The platform will then
serve as a guide and

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send information
about security events

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to the relevant authorities
and response units.

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From the perspective
of corporations,

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this will ease their burden.
The same goes

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for the self-registration platform,
which we'll set up

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to improve communication
with the covered entities

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and have access
to updated data.

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Without data about
the covered entities

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and their basic infrastructure,
our cyber defense and prevention

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is also very limited.
These tools will help the office

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to implement the legislation.

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And a question that I should've
asked first.

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Is Slovenia a safe country
in terms of cybersecurity?

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If there are rankings, where is
Slovenia on the list?

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There are several rankings.

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In every case, we rank
somewhere in the upper middle

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among the most developed countries
considering the number

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of relevant authorities
and our capacity.

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The number of incidents
is constantly increasing,

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as evidenced
by commercial reports,

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SICART reports
and our reports.

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However, we should be aware
that the number of incidents

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is not only a consequence

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of less or more successful
detection or rather defense,

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but is also an indicator
of a country's maturity

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and its ability to, despite cyber
incidents all over the world,

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limit them relatively quickly,

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but mainly cause them
to have minimal impact

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on essential services in the
public sector and the economy.

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Any further questions?
Thank you, good day. -Thank you.

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Now we will be joined
by Minister of Health

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Dr. Valentina Prevolnik Rupel,
who will present

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the bill on psychotherapy.
Go ahead, Minister.

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Thank you. Greetings.

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As we know, psychotherapy
is not regulated in Slovenia,

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which is why the Ministry of Health
prepared an act

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that regulates psychotherapy

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and the psychotherapist profession
within healthcare.

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The aim of the bill
is to increase

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the quality and safety
of psychotherapy in Slovenia

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in the public
and private sector,

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and define education standards
for psychotherapists.

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Psychotherapy is thus becoming
a public health service

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and can be funded from
compulsory health insurance,

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so by referral,
which has not been possible so far.

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Those without referral,
who need psychotherapy,

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will be able to access it
through health promotion centres,

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mental health centres
for adults

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and mental health centres
for children and adolescents.

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The bill stipulates that
psychotherapy may also be provided

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in other sectors, like the police,
education, and social services,

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or pursued
as an independent private practice.

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A Chamber of Psychotherapists
will also be established

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and assigned
certain public functions.

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We decided
to establish the Chamber

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due to the professional complexity
and fragmentation of the field,

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and to ensure equal
representation of all stakeholders.

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Within the scope of its public
functions, funded by the state,

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the Chamber will perform
the following tasks:

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keeping a register of candidates
and a register of psychotherapists,

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issuing, renewing and revoking
psychotherapist licences,

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and conducting professional
supervision with consultation

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in accordance with the law.

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Chamber membership
will be mandatory,

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but only the tasks performed
within the scope of public functions

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 will be funded
from the state budget.

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In order for a psychotherapist
to obtain a licence,

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clear criteria of professional
competence will be defined.

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The bill envisages two possible
ways for a psychotherapist

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to acquire the required
professional competence,

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academic and non-academic, both
of which are considered equivalent.

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We are also defining the number of
training hours for psychotherapists

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across individual subject areas
that a psychotherapist must master.

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The bill recognises various
psychotherapeutic approaches,

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such as family therapy,
existential therapy,

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Gestalt therapy,
integrative psychotherapy,

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logotherapy,
person-centred therapy,

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psychoanalysis,
group analysis, and others.

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These approaches will initially
be defined by the law,

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and later by the Minister of Health
per the Chamber's proposals.

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The approaches
are constantly developing,

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some new ones may come along
and they will need to be updated.

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The approaches
defined by the Act

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are defined
based on scientific criteria

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or rather
they are evidence-based.

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We looked at
what there is in Europe,

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which approaches
are evidence-based,

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and wrote them into the Act.

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Following
the Act's entry into force,

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there will be
a 12 month period.

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Those wishing to provide
psychotherapeutic treatment after

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this period must, within six months
of the Act’s entry into force,

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submit a request for the recognition
of professional qualifications

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to the Ministry of Health.

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The bill provides that,
until the Chamber is established,

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registering psychotherapists
and issuing licences

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will be done
by the Ministry of Health.

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Licences will be issued
for a period of seven years

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and must be renewed
upon expiry.

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Prior to registration,
all psychotherapists

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must pass
a professional examination.

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Additionally, the provisions
of the Healthcare Services Act

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will be reasonably applied,

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including requirements
such as appropriate qualifications

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and knowledge of Slovenian.

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These conditions are not
specifically included in this Act,

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as they are already regulated
by the Healthcare Services Act.

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Thank you. Questions?
One moment.

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Špela Lobe, POP TV.

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So, this Act is supposed to
shorten waiting lists

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for psychotherapy
for children and adults?

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Yes, the accessibility
of psychotherapy will improve

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and even possible
through referral.

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But mainly,
everyone providing psychotherapy

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will definitely be adequately
educated and trained for it

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and entered into the
register of psychotherapists,

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kept by the Chamber.

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So far,
the field has been unregulated.

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Psychotherapy was provided by many,
but this will now be regulated,

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so that the user
can be certain

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that they are receiving
a good, safe service.

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Psychiatrists and clinical
psychologists are against this.

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The medical director
of the paediatric clinic

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was also critical,
noting that the healthcare system

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is being opened to counsellors who
are not healthcare professionals

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and not qualified to triage
or diagnose mental disorders.

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What is your response?

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Everyone in the healthcare system
has their role,

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as do psychotherapists,
who will become team members.

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For instance, in a hospital,
psychotherapists will become

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part of a patient's
complete treatment

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and they will certainly
have their role,

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like clinical psychologists,
psychiatrists and other doctors.

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It is not
about psychotherapists

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doing something
they do not know how to do,

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but doing the work
that they trained to do.

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Importantly,
the Act establishes

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what training
psychotherapists must complete

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to ensure
the quality of their work,

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which has not
been the case so far.

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To what extent
did you take into account

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the comments of psychiatrists
and clinical psychologists,

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given that they imagine
a completely different arrangement,

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a dual system
where healthcare professionals

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remain in one system
and counsellors in another?

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Their proposal for regulating
this field is entirely different.

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If you remember,
that was the first version,

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where we had
counsellors and psychotherapists,

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but we changed that according
to the stakeholders' comments.

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We defined
the profession of psychotherapist

00:18:08.053 --> 00:18:11.011
as part of the healthcare sector
with a unified designation,

00:18:11.132 --> 00:18:13.360
regardless
of their place of work.

00:18:13.481 --> 00:18:15.842
But as part of healthcare
they must be qualified

00:18:15.963 --> 00:18:19.900
in line with the criteria and
requirements prescribed by the law.

00:18:20.316 --> 00:18:22.036
Regarding the approaches

00:18:22.157 --> 00:18:25.869
defined by the European
Association for Psychotherapy,

00:18:25.989 --> 00:18:28.787
psychiatrists
and clinical psychologists

00:18:28.908 --> 00:18:33.125
do not really recognise all of them
as supported by science.

00:18:33.246 --> 00:18:37.441
What is your comment on that?
-We reviewed all of the approaches

00:18:37.562 --> 00:18:40.558
of the European
Association for Psychotherapy.

00:18:40.679 --> 00:18:43.239
We have chosen
and written into the Act

00:18:43.360 --> 00:18:47.014
those that are evidence-based
and supported by science.

00:18:47.134 --> 00:18:51.052
But we all understand that
psychotherapy is a newer science

00:18:51.173 --> 00:18:54.486
that has advanced significantly
in the past decade

00:18:54.607 --> 00:18:58.251
and that these approaches
are constantly developing.

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There will surely be new ones
that are not currently in the Act,

00:19:02.738 --> 00:19:06.560
so we are considering it as an
entity that will keep changing.

00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:09.212
That is why
there is a provision that later,

00:19:09.333 --> 00:19:12.206
when approaches change,
the Ministry will adapt

00:19:12.327 --> 00:19:15.086
and update them
per the Chamber's proposals.

00:19:15.710 --> 00:19:18.710
Next question.
-Domen Mezeg, Nova TV.

00:19:19.100 --> 00:19:21.606
Speaking generally
about healthcare,

00:19:21.727 --> 00:19:23.807
we know that without doctors,

00:19:23.928 --> 00:19:28.288
this unsustainable situation
in healthcare cannot be resolved.

00:19:28.409 --> 00:19:32.450
Many doctors are pointing out that
waiting lists are getting longer

00:19:32.571 --> 00:19:34.521
and that
with the new amendment,

00:19:34.642 --> 00:19:36.926
which was blocked
by the National Council,

00:19:37.047 --> 00:19:41.330
waiting lists for some services
will even be up to 20% longer.

00:19:41.450 --> 00:19:43.755
Alenka Forte
is pointing that out

00:19:43.876 --> 00:19:46.909
and other doctors
are very displeased as well.

00:19:47.030 --> 00:19:50.560
Why is the government
unwilling to listen to experts?

00:19:50.681 --> 00:19:54.598
It listens to Jenull,
but not the actual experts

00:19:54.719 --> 00:19:58.636
who keep warning
that things will get even worse

00:19:58.757 --> 00:20:02.981
if the government keeps insisting
on what it's insisting on.

00:20:03.768 --> 00:20:07.488
The Health Services Act was discussed
yesterday in the National Council.

00:20:07.608 --> 00:20:09.431
A suspensive veto was voted,

00:20:09.551 --> 00:20:12.851
and now the Act will be returned
to the National Assembly,

00:20:12.971 --> 00:20:18.117
to the Committee on Health, and
then to the parliamentary session.

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The number of those waiting for
the first checks unacceptably long

00:20:23.812 --> 00:20:27.414
has been lowered
in a lot of services.

00:20:27.615 --> 00:20:33.566
We haven't talked about waiting
times for a long time. Why not?

00:20:33.942 --> 00:20:36.398
Because the definition
of waiting times is unclear,

00:20:36.518 --> 00:20:38.275
or hasn't existed until now.

00:20:38.395 --> 00:20:44.184
We have defined it
as the time that elapses

00:20:44.305 --> 00:20:47.890
between the moment
someone enters the queue

00:20:48.011 --> 00:20:50.042
and the moment they
receive the service.

00:20:50.162 --> 00:20:54.120
This hasn't been the case before.
The waiting time was measured

00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:56.796
as the time from when
the referral was made

00:20:56.916 --> 00:20:59.302
to the first indicative date.

00:20:59.422 --> 00:21:03.000
However, the first indicative date
has been set very loosely,

00:21:03.120 --> 00:21:07.460
often depending
on the technical capacity

00:21:07.581 --> 00:21:10.320
of the IT system
of the individual provider,

00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.114
so it was very undefined,

00:21:12.234 --> 00:21:14.856
that's why I don't want
to use the term waiting time.

00:21:14.976 --> 00:21:17.190
As for predicting
what will happen,

00:21:17.310 --> 00:21:22.095
given that it all depends
on how doctors decide,

00:21:22.216 --> 00:21:24.406
how they see the incentives

00:21:24.526 --> 00:21:27.816
that we have included
in the Health Services Act,

00:21:27.936 --> 00:21:31.553
enabling them to work more
and therefore get paid more,

00:21:31.673 --> 00:21:35.828
nobody knows exactly
how doctors will decide,

00:21:35.949 --> 00:21:38.098
neither us
nor the Medical Chamber.

00:21:38.218 --> 00:21:42.418
Dr. Beović has also said
it's difficult for her to estimate

00:21:42.538 --> 00:21:45.571
what the impact will be,
so this estimate of 20%

00:21:45.691 --> 00:21:47.940
is certainly very loose.

00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:51.043
We don't know
how to estimate it either.

00:21:51.163 --> 00:21:55.287
As I've already said, there will be
some changes in the system,

00:21:55.407 --> 00:21:59.816
and the aim, which we will achieve
with the Health Services Act,

00:21:59.936 --> 00:22:04.890
is that we will regulate the service
properly and make it transparent.

00:22:05.010 --> 00:22:08.299
One more thing.
-Just use the microphone.

00:22:08.419 --> 00:22:13.295
How do you understand this pessimism?
How would you reassure doctors?

00:22:13.415 --> 00:22:17.507
Many doctors still point out

00:22:17.631 --> 00:22:22.886
that the patient is the key
in private or in public healthcare,

00:22:23.007 --> 00:22:28.576
as long as the Health Insurance
Institute covers the costs.

00:22:28.697 --> 00:22:31.172
Not that it's
strictly separated.

00:22:31.292 --> 00:22:36.696
Is this amendment, in your opinion,
sufficiently patient-centred?

00:22:36.817 --> 00:22:39.696
Because some doctors
point out that it isn't,

00:22:39.816 --> 00:22:45.757
that it won't answer
the key questions, the key problems.

00:22:46.250 --> 00:22:51.983
The amendment focuses
on the patient, that's a fact.

00:22:52.902 --> 00:22:56.905
The great advantage of it is
that it defines for the first time

00:22:57.025 --> 00:23:01.120
the public health network,
which includes public institutions

00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:04.715
and, as you mentioned, private
companies or concessionaires,

00:23:04.835 --> 00:23:07.694
which are paid
by the Health Insurance Institute,

00:23:07.814 --> 00:23:10.597
from public funds.

00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:14.213
It is, of course, possible
to move between the two.

00:23:14.333 --> 00:23:16.703
The fact is the amendment
requires the doctor

00:23:16.823 --> 00:23:20.553
or other medical staff,
the whole team,

00:23:20.674 --> 00:23:23.607
to do their work
in the home institution.

00:23:23.727 --> 00:23:28.390
And once that work is done,
there are options for further work.

00:23:28.510 --> 00:23:30.882
We all want to reduce queues,

00:23:31.002 --> 00:23:35.239
which is why we offer a number of
opportunities to do the work later,

00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:37.924
i.e. on a subcontract basis.

00:23:38.045 --> 00:23:43.708
Work for concessionaires,
for which they have to get consent,

00:23:43.829 --> 00:23:45.958
and consent is given
when the work is done.

00:23:46.078 --> 00:23:49.747
To this end, we're also introducing
effective measurement of the work,

00:23:49.867 --> 00:23:52.157
which I consider important.

00:23:52.278 --> 00:23:55.808
The health professionals
agree that this is important.

00:23:55.928 --> 00:23:58.202
We will be measuring it
for the first time,

00:23:58.322 --> 00:24:01.013
the methodology will be uniform,
which is great,

00:24:01.133 --> 00:24:06.217
so that things will be comparable
between different providers.

00:24:06.862 --> 00:24:10.510
Lea Majcen, STA. Speaking of which,
I would be interested

00:24:10.630 --> 00:24:16.359
in your comment on the veto
by the National Council yesterday.

00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:20.220
You expect that, when
the National Assembly votes again,

00:24:20.340 --> 00:24:22.741
the amendment
will be approved once again.

00:24:22.861 --> 00:24:28.529
If I'm not mistaken, FIDES has
announced a constitutional review.

00:24:29.175 --> 00:24:33.018
As I said before,
the veto was expected,

00:24:33.139 --> 00:24:37.586
so nothing unexpected
happened yesterday.

00:24:38.563 --> 00:24:41.487
I think that the debate
in the National Council was good

00:24:41.607 --> 00:24:44.195
and that we have explained well
the reasons why

00:24:44.315 --> 00:24:46.990
we have drafted the amendment
in the way that we have.

00:24:47.110 --> 00:24:51.165
I think that we have also
answered well all the questions

00:24:51.285 --> 00:24:54.680
asked by
the Members of National Council.

00:24:55.728 --> 00:24:59.650
In any case, I expect that
the amendment will be approved

00:24:59.770 --> 00:25:03.302
when it comes back
to the National Assembly.

00:25:03.422 --> 00:25:09.594
Let's return to
the Psychotherapeutic Services Act.

00:25:09.715 --> 00:25:11.858
To refer to my colleague,

00:25:11.979 --> 00:25:15.336
clinical psychologists,
paediatricians and psychiatrists

00:25:15.456 --> 00:25:19.501
have also warned today that,
under this draft act,

00:25:19.621 --> 00:25:22.136
people with mental health problems
will be treated

00:25:22.256 --> 00:25:24.390
by individuals
without adequate training,

00:25:24.510 --> 00:25:27.945
or with significantly less training
than is currently required

00:25:28.065 --> 00:25:30.950
for these specialists to enter
the public health service.

00:25:31.070 --> 00:25:34.524
This is particularly controversial
when it comes to treating children.

00:25:34.644 --> 00:25:38.113
They also pointed out the European
Association for Psychotherapy

00:25:38.233 --> 00:25:39.834
has defined approaches,

00:25:39.954 --> 00:25:43.238
including those
that introduce pseudoscience.

00:25:43.358 --> 00:25:48.690
How would this ensure that people
receive adequate mental health care?

00:25:48.810 --> 00:25:53.062
They are probably making
this point from the status quo,

00:25:53.182 --> 00:25:56.688
the status quo
is completely unregulated.

00:25:56.809 --> 00:26:00.696
That's why the Psychotherapeutic
Services Act is necessary,

00:26:00.816 --> 00:26:04.701
and it also defines
the amount of professional training

00:26:04.821 --> 00:26:07.657
someone would have to undergo

00:26:07.778 --> 00:26:10.048
in order to qualify
as a psychotherapist.

00:26:10.168 --> 00:26:14.188
The content of the professional
training thus consists

00:26:14.308 --> 00:26:17.416
of theoretical content,
personal experience,

00:26:17.536 --> 00:26:22.992
carrying out 650 hours
of psychotherapeutic treatment,

00:26:23.113 --> 00:26:24.813
a meeting with a supervisor

00:26:24.933 --> 00:26:29.310
and training in mental health
and other related areas.

00:26:29.430 --> 00:26:31.590
It also consists of
a final examination

00:26:31.710 --> 00:26:34.630
and a professional examination
at the Ministry of Health.

00:26:34.750 --> 00:26:38.485
All these hours, which are set,
ensure that psychotherapists

00:26:38.605 --> 00:26:41.077
will have the appropriate
knowledge and training

00:26:41.197 --> 00:26:44.683
to treat clients appropriately,
qualitatively and safely.

00:26:44.803 --> 00:26:47.207
Now, as you know,
this is not the case.

00:26:47.327 --> 00:26:49.264
We have different psychotherapists

00:26:49.384 --> 00:26:52.906
and therefore there was a need
to regulate this,

00:26:53.026 --> 00:26:58.672
to actually define these contents
and the training.

00:26:58.793 --> 00:27:02.144
This Act
was necessary for that.

00:27:03.392 --> 00:27:06.757
Is the number of hours
the same as for the specialists

00:27:06.877 --> 00:27:10.436
who want to enter the public
health system have to complete?

00:27:10.556 --> 00:27:14.794
There is no difference here.
-Which specialists do you mean?

00:27:14.914 --> 00:27:20.265
Those who are working
in the public network now.

00:27:20.386 --> 00:27:23.796
Will the number of hours
remain the same?

00:27:23.917 --> 00:27:27.400
Will those who will
provide psychotherapy

00:27:27.521 --> 00:27:30.258
have the same number
of hours of training

00:27:30.378 --> 00:27:32.206
or the same requirements?

00:27:32.326 --> 00:27:34.660
If we compare
the specialisations,

00:27:34.780 --> 00:27:38.282
they are of different lengths
in different areas,

00:27:38.402 --> 00:27:42.493
so we can't really compare
them with each other.

00:27:42.614 --> 00:27:46.108
They last for
a different number of years.

00:27:46.229 --> 00:27:50.002
This number of hours
relates to about 4 years.

00:27:50.123 --> 00:27:53.505
Oh, in the field of psychotherapy.
This is the only requirement,

00:27:53.625 --> 00:27:56.400
so I have nothing
to compare it with,

00:27:56.521 --> 00:27:58.187
this is the first regulation.

00:27:58.307 --> 00:28:00.409
But I can tell you,
for example, in Europe,

00:28:00.529 --> 00:28:03.372
what the requirements are
for the qualification.

00:28:03.492 --> 00:28:07.000
European countries have a slightly
different number of hours.

00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:11.450
We're at the upper limit,
so we are among the more demanding

00:28:11.570 --> 00:28:14.722
in terms of what we require
for the qualification

00:28:14.842 --> 00:28:16.946
and the knowledge
of psychotherapists.

00:28:17.066 --> 00:28:21.923
What about these approaches,
which also introduce pseudo-science?

00:28:22.043 --> 00:28:26.036
I've already said this,
we've looked at these approaches

00:28:26.156 --> 00:28:29.577
that the European Association
for Psychotherapy has

00:28:29.697 --> 00:28:35.816
and we have written down
those based on evidence

00:28:35.937 --> 00:28:38.526
or scientifically proven.

00:28:39.371 --> 00:28:41.910
Clinical psychologists
also point out

00:28:42.030 --> 00:28:43.901
there is no systemic funding

00:28:44.021 --> 00:28:47.467
for specialisations
in clinical psychology.

00:28:47.587 --> 00:28:49.914
Will this be sorted out,
and when?

00:28:50.034 --> 00:28:53.302
We are sorting it out, we have
a temporary arrangement,

00:28:53.422 --> 00:28:58.093
but we are trying, as in
all other areas, to sort it out.

00:28:58.214 --> 00:29:01.500
They believe the Psychotherapeutic
Services Draft Act

00:29:01.620 --> 00:29:03.884
absolves the psychotherapist
of responsibility

00:29:04.004 --> 00:29:06.931
for the deterioration
of the mental health of the client

00:29:07.051 --> 00:29:09.099
if they don't tell
their psychotherapist,

00:29:09.219 --> 00:29:11.312
while the responsibility of doctors

00:29:11.432 --> 00:29:14.554
is very clearly defined
and monitored.

00:29:14.675 --> 00:29:17.222
It's the other way round.

00:29:17.343 --> 00:29:20.737
It's precisely
because of this Act

00:29:20.858 --> 00:29:23.638
that professional supervision
will also be introduced.

00:29:23.758 --> 00:29:26.699
The Chamber
will regulate this area,

00:29:26.819 --> 00:29:30.281
and that will also make
psychotherapists more accountable

00:29:30.401 --> 00:29:33.880
than they have been up to now.
So that is not the case.

00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.202
I have another question,
but I don't know ...

00:29:36.322 --> 00:29:41.472
About the Act first,
and then we can talk about Zalar.

00:29:41.593 --> 00:29:44.410
Hana Pincolič, RTV.
There are two different ways

00:29:44.530 --> 00:29:46.196
to become a psychotherapist.

00:29:46.316 --> 00:29:49.278
You've already mentioned
professional training,

00:29:49.398 --> 00:29:53.460
but I would like a comparison
between the two.

00:29:53.581 --> 00:29:55.728
What do they have to do?

00:29:55.849 --> 00:29:59.114
There aren't
two different ways.

00:29:59.235 --> 00:30:02.083
The hours are the same
in both ways

00:30:02.204 --> 00:30:05.119
and the skills and training
are the same.

00:30:05.239 --> 00:30:08.997
It's just that in Slovenia and
in other European countries,

00:30:09.117 --> 00:30:13.785
they don't have
an academic education,

00:30:13.906 --> 00:30:16.305
but education
is done through associations.

00:30:16.425 --> 00:30:20.744
The transition to academic education
has not yet taken place in Europe,

00:30:20.864 --> 00:30:25.222
because psychotherapy
is more or less a new science,

00:30:25.346 --> 00:30:29.095
which is still developing
or has undergone rapid development.

00:30:29.215 --> 00:30:33.953
The training
doesn't follow immediately.

00:30:34.074 --> 00:30:37.402
But whichever
of the two ways is chosen,

00:30:37.523 --> 00:30:40.627
they are comparable in terms
of content and in terms of hours.

00:30:40.747 --> 00:30:43.621
What's the first one
and what's the second one?

00:30:43.741 --> 00:30:47.026
One is academic,
one is through the associations.

00:30:47.146 --> 00:30:49.614
The content is exactly the same
and the hours,

00:30:49.734 --> 00:30:54.811
so the knowledge, the qualification
in the end is exactly the same.

00:30:54.931 --> 00:30:57.300
Doctors will be able
to write referrals.

00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:01.128
What would you like to achieve
with this decision, accessibility?

00:31:01.248 --> 00:31:05.606
Accessibility.
A more accessible health system

00:31:05.727 --> 00:31:09.395
and it makes sense as well.
If someone actually needs it,

00:31:09.515 --> 00:31:13.683
it makes sense for them to come
into the healthcare system.

00:31:13.803 --> 00:31:16.415
Maybe just on another topic.
You said this morning,

00:31:16.535 --> 00:31:19.719
before the Government meeting,
you're against the reappointment

00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.017
of Bojan Zalar as director
of the psychiatric clinic.

00:31:23.137 --> 00:31:24.738
Why this decision?

00:31:24.858 --> 00:31:29.497
If Zalar doesn't get
the Government's consent, what then?

00:31:29.617 --> 00:31:32.806
Will there be a re-tender
and when might that be?

00:31:32.926 --> 00:31:38.891
That's right,
we don't support the appointment.

00:31:39.012 --> 00:31:43.656
That will be the proposal
to the Government. Why not?

00:31:43.777 --> 00:31:48.752
You know there has been a systemic
control at the psychiatric clinic.

00:31:48.872 --> 00:31:55.458
Certain irregularities were found.
The Ministry issued a decision.

00:31:55.579 --> 00:31:59.677
These irregularities, according
to the Ministry's analysis,

00:31:59.797 --> 00:32:02.201
haven't been fully corrected.

00:32:02.321 --> 00:32:06.895
I'm very sorry that these
irregularities occurred at all.

00:32:07.015 --> 00:32:10.968
I would therefore like
the management to take a stand

00:32:11.088 --> 00:32:13.844
and to rectify this.

00:32:14.946 --> 00:32:20.112
You asked me one more thing.
-What if he doesn't get the consent?

00:32:20.232 --> 00:32:24.134
In which case
the tender will be repeated.

00:32:25.711 --> 00:32:28.705
Veronika Rupnik, Dnevnik.
I have a question

00:32:28.825 --> 00:32:33.006
related to another appointment
at today's Government meeting,

00:32:33.126 --> 00:32:36.610
so it's not so much a question
for the Minister, but maybe for you.

00:32:36.730 --> 00:32:39.188
The Minister in charge
is not here.

00:32:39.308 --> 00:32:44.081
There was an item

00:32:44.202 --> 00:32:47.598
on the consent to the appointment
of Mr. Papež for a second term

00:32:47.718 --> 00:32:51.042
as the head of the Pension
and Disability Insurance Institute.

00:32:51.162 --> 00:32:57.259
Why has the Government
not yet taken any decision on this,

00:32:57.380 --> 00:32:59.422
but the matter
is being postponed

00:32:59.542 --> 00:33:03.315
until tomorrow's
correspondence meeting? -Thank you.

00:33:03.435 --> 00:33:06.719
Minister Mesec
has introduced this point,

00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.194
and the Government
has suspended consideration

00:33:10.314 --> 00:33:13.856
of the proposal for consent
to the appointment.

00:33:13.976 --> 00:33:18.685
The decision will be taken at
tomorrow's correspondence meeting.

00:33:18.805 --> 00:33:22.287
More on this is a matter
for debate, which is not public.

00:33:22.407 --> 00:33:28.597
Špela. -How come
the Psychotherapeutic Services Act

00:33:28.718 --> 00:33:31.194
has come in
for such severe criticism

00:33:31.314 --> 00:33:34.155
from the most competent
experts in the field?

00:33:34.275 --> 00:33:36.810
Why did you not
simply consult them?

00:33:36.930 --> 00:33:42.698
Why are they now opposing it?

00:33:42.819 --> 00:33:46.527
Because they really don't agree
with anything in this Act.

00:33:46.647 --> 00:33:51.304
In a way,
that's quite understandable.

00:33:51.425 --> 00:33:55.701
The area has been unregulated
for a very long time,

00:33:55.822 --> 00:34:00.773
and the services have developed
in their own natural way,

00:34:00.894 --> 00:34:03.193
which are not the best
for the client.

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Our concern is the client.
We're now setting rules.

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In this disorder we're setting rules
for educational institutions

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and for psychotherapists.

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Because the services have been
developed without any control,

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because they are
not regulated on the market,

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many people
don't meet these conditions.

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Yes, there is opposition
from all sides.

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We've talked to everybody. It's not
true that we haven't consulted them.

00:34:33.182 --> 00:34:37.119
We've had a lot of dialogue
even in the last stages.

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You know that the public debate
was even extended.

00:34:41.336 --> 00:34:45.601
We received
more than a hundred comments,

00:34:45.722 --> 00:34:49.538
and we took them into account
as far as possible.

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It is true, however,
that we had the client

00:34:53.209 --> 00:34:55.296
as our first
and foremost objective.

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We've adapted all the provisions
of the Act to the client,

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because we want them to receive
quality and safe treatment.

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What points made by clinical
psychologists, psychiatrists

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did you take into account?

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There are many.

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I can't list them
article by article.

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There were
a huge number of pages,

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but there were also comments
from the psychotherapists,

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from the rest of the public,

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and we included them. There
aren't two different professions,

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psychotherapist and counsellor.

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Where psychotherapy
is practised,

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in what way it is practised
in other sectors,

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not just in health care,
in the very basics.

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Any other questions?
Please wait for the microphone.

00:35:57.835 --> 00:36:00.593
I have a question
about long-term care.

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I don't know, the Government
didn't talk about this today.

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Can I ask a general question?

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I would recommend
that you contact

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the Ministry
of a Solidarity-Based Future.

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They had some statements this week
on the subject of long-term care

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and the start of enforcement. -They
were talking about €100 million.

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The Government didn't talk
about this today, so I can't help.

00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:27.013
We can provide you
with written answers

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from the Ministry
of a Solidarity-Based Future.

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Thank you very much. If there
are no more questions, goodbye.