WEBVTT 00:00:03.187 --> 00:00:06.961 Hello. The Minister of Justice Andreja Katič 00:00:07.081 --> 00:00:10.740 will present today's decisions. Go ahead. 00:00:11.594 --> 00:00:17.101 The Government passed the Decree on strained security situation 00:00:17.222 --> 00:00:22.287 because of personnel and space shortages in prisons 00:00:22.408 --> 00:00:25.529 and decided on the measures. It will be published 00:00:25.649 --> 00:00:30.300 in the Official Gazette. Both criteria defined by law 00:00:30.420 --> 00:00:36.540 have been surpassed. There are 1,826 imprisoned people 00:00:37.050 --> 00:00:40.920 and 525 judicial police officers. 00:00:41.665 --> 00:00:46.800 Prisons are more than 140% full 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:50.880 and measures should be taken at 120% 00:00:51.109 --> 00:00:57.480 and there are 3.5 prisoners per judicial police officer. 00:00:58.194 --> 00:01:02.620 The law defines three possible measures. 00:01:02.740 --> 00:01:07.760 We passed two of them recommended by the Prison Administration. 00:01:08.082 --> 00:01:14.472 Other employees will be judicial police officers 00:01:14.592 --> 00:01:18.720 if they already did this in the past. 00:01:21.910 --> 00:01:27.720 The other measure is the suspension of prison sentence. 00:01:28.589 --> 00:01:32.254 Prisons are making lists of candidates 00:01:32.374 --> 00:01:37.774 that were working as police officers in the past. If they agree to it, 00:01:37.894 --> 00:01:41.940 they can take this job again, with full power. 00:01:42.270 --> 00:01:47.000 There are more groups: public employees 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:52.640 that are working in the Prison Administration, 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:59.133 employees that were judicial police officers in the past 00:01:59.253 --> 00:02:04.600 and are working elsewhere now and retired employees. 00:02:05.390 --> 00:02:09.688 The suspension of prison sentence 00:02:09.808 --> 00:02:14.240 already exists in the current legislation. 00:02:14.594 --> 00:02:17.865 The Enforcement of Criminal Sanctions Act defines 00:02:17.985 --> 00:02:21.080 seven conditions 00:02:21.356 --> 00:02:24.440 under which the sentence can be suspended. 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:27.603 Medical treatment, taking care of a child, 00:02:27.723 --> 00:02:31.940 death in the family, seasonal work and helping the family. 00:02:32.473 --> 00:02:38.832 With this Decree, we just added another reason, 00:02:38.952 --> 00:02:42.580 a strained situation because of overcrowding. 00:02:42.832 --> 00:02:46.989 The other conditions for the suspension 00:02:47.109 --> 00:02:49.960 stay the same. 00:02:50.236 --> 00:02:54.343 The sentence can be suspended 00:02:54.463 --> 00:02:57.980 if there are no safety concerns. 00:02:58.459 --> 00:03:02.360 When assessing this, all circumstances are considered, 00:03:02.480 --> 00:03:07.280 under which the suspension could be misused, 00:03:07.438 --> 00:03:11.783 prisoner's personality, their safety assessment, 00:03:11.903 --> 00:03:15.520 the risk of avoiding returning to prison, 00:03:15.890 --> 00:03:20.220 a part of the sentence already served, the type of criminal act, 00:03:20.425 --> 00:03:23.760 the reaction of the environment where it happened, 00:03:23.880 --> 00:03:29.620 especially of the victims, and possible other open procedures. 00:03:30.709 --> 00:03:35.414 The suspension does not count as a served sentence. 00:03:35.534 --> 00:03:40.094 Prisoners have to return to prison 00:03:40.214 --> 00:03:44.491 and serve the rest of the sentence. The suspension lasts 00:03:44.612 --> 00:03:50.900 as long as the reason for it, in this case, 00:03:51.020 --> 00:03:54.783 it lasts as long as the Decree, which means three months 00:03:54.903 --> 00:03:57.140 and it can be prolonged for three months. 00:03:59.681 --> 00:04:04.073 As I said, the measures can last 00:04:04.193 --> 00:04:06.777 as long as the situation will be strained 00:04:06.897 --> 00:04:10.300 because of personnel and space shortages. 00:04:10.818 --> 00:04:17.620 If it will last longer, the Government can prolong the measures 00:04:17.740 --> 00:04:22.480 for three months if recommended by the Administration and our Ministry. 00:04:22.795 --> 00:04:28.345 The Prison Administration will follow the situation 00:04:28.465 --> 00:04:32.520 and propose further measures to the Government. 00:04:32.827 --> 00:04:35.820 I want to say 00:04:36.147 --> 00:04:40.280 the suspension of prison sentence is not something new. 00:04:40.634 --> 00:04:43.720 If we look at the statistics, 00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:49.160 there were 22 suspensions in 2022. 00:04:49.865 --> 00:04:55.280 In 2023, there were 24 suspensions. 00:04:55.400 --> 00:05:00.977 During Covid, there were 200 suspensions. 00:05:01.098 --> 00:05:04.740 The suspension has never been misused. 00:05:05.008 --> 00:05:10.112 During pandemic, the suspension 00:05:10.232 --> 00:05:14.340 proofed to be an effective measure against overcrowding 00:05:14.460 --> 00:05:18.520 which meant better security in prisons 00:05:18.640 --> 00:05:23.380 and a better resocialization. 00:05:24.968 --> 00:05:28.843 And the second point. -I want to stress 00:05:28.963 --> 00:05:33.396 the Government approved the basis for the Act 00:05:33.516 --> 00:05:37.260 on protecting persons who engage in public participation. 00:05:37.380 --> 00:05:42.220 It is connected with the Directive on protecting persons 00:05:42.449 --> 00:05:47.772 who engage in public participation from manifestly unfounded 00:05:47.892 --> 00:05:51.577 or abusive court proceedings. 00:05:51.697 --> 00:05:54.920 I am talking about strategic lawsuits 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:57.700 against public participation. 00:05:57.820 --> 00:06:03.180 We have to adopt this until 7th May, 2026. 00:06:04.018 --> 00:06:06.980 The basis we approved today 00:06:07.100 --> 00:06:13.235 is addressing this area broader than the Directive. 00:06:13.356 --> 00:06:17.120 The Act will not only be used in international cases, 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:20.440 but here as well. 00:06:21.091 --> 00:06:25.366 During public discussion 00:06:25.486 --> 00:06:29.835 and coordination with experts, we will see if these measures 00:06:29.955 --> 00:06:33.983 can be used in criminal procedures regarding criminal offences 00:06:34.103 --> 00:06:39.157 against honour and reputation. The Directive 00:06:39.277 --> 00:06:42.700 is only talking about civil lawsuits, 00:06:42.821 --> 00:06:48.436 but these unfounded lawsuits 00:06:48.556 --> 00:06:53.160 can be transferred to criminal cases as well. 00:06:53.724 --> 00:06:59.157 We are already preparing the Act on protecting persons 00:06:59.277 --> 00:07:03.849 who engage in public participation. We will follow the Directive 00:07:03.969 --> 00:07:08.549 and protect claimants, natural persons 00:07:08.669 --> 00:07:11.960 and legal entities in private law 00:07:12.243 --> 00:07:15.869 that engage in public participation. 00:07:15.989 --> 00:07:19.411 We will provide bail, the fastest trial possible 00:07:19.531 --> 00:07:24.882 and help during the process. If judicial process is misused, 00:07:25.002 --> 00:07:29.460 we would protect them even further. 00:07:29.580 --> 00:07:33.192 Such claims could be rejected as fast as possible 00:07:33.312 --> 00:07:38.120 after the assessment is made, and the trial costs will be paid back. 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:42.271 I am inviting you to participate in writing the Act. Thank you. 00:07:42.516 --> 00:07:46.227 Thank you. It is time for questions. 00:07:46.503 --> 00:07:51.520 Lea Majcen, STA. Do you have an assessment ... 00:07:51.780 --> 00:07:55.680 You said prisons are 140% full. 00:07:56.464 --> 00:08:02.128 How much will these measures help lowering these percentages? 00:08:03.033 --> 00:08:07.679 Today, the placement of prisoners or persons under guard 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.112 in the Prison Administration is made 00:08:11.233 --> 00:08:16.181 by contacting the wardens of the individual prisons 00:08:16.302 --> 00:08:18.688 to see if they have a bed available. 00:08:18.809 --> 00:08:23.324 In terms of what we expect in the coming period, 00:08:23.445 --> 00:08:28.028 we currently have up to 30 people registered 00:08:28.149 --> 00:08:32.501 who could qualify for a suspension of their prison sentence. 00:08:32.622 --> 00:08:36.295 Now the legal basis is in place, we need to start the procedure, 00:08:36.416 --> 00:08:38.496 check all the security concerns 00:08:38.617 --> 00:08:41.004 and, on that basis and with their consent, 00:08:41.125 --> 00:08:44.711 adopt this measure for three months, and then we will see. 00:08:44.832 --> 00:08:49.424 But given the current situation, every bed is important. 00:08:50.235 --> 00:08:54.396 How is this security assessment affected by the fact 00:08:54.517 --> 00:09:00.192 that a convict might be a flight risk or even a foreign national? 00:09:00.313 --> 00:09:05.472 We know that there are a lot of migrant smugglers in our prisons. 00:09:05.593 --> 00:09:08.927 Could this situation escalate? 00:09:09.699 --> 00:09:14.175 We have to distinguish between prisoners and detainees. 00:09:14.296 --> 00:09:18.749 Most foreigners are detainees, 00:09:18.870 --> 00:09:22.891 but we're also seeing an increase in the number of prisoners 00:09:23.012 --> 00:09:28.270 due to Article 308 of the Penal Code which pertains to your question. 00:09:28.391 --> 00:09:30.419 Those who don't meet the conditions 00:09:30.540 --> 00:09:33.697 or are subject to any security concerns 00:09:33.818 --> 00:09:36.273 cannot get their sentence suspended. 00:09:36.394 --> 00:09:38.192 Because foreigners are usually 00:09:38.313 --> 00:09:40.773 also subject to expulsion from the country, 00:09:40.894 --> 00:09:44.906 a suspended sentence is not an option for them. 00:09:45.027 --> 00:09:49.973 A suspended sentence can be considered for those prisoners 00:09:50.094 --> 00:09:53.705 who are not subject to any security concerns, 00:09:53.826 --> 00:09:56.198 who are permanent residents of Slovenia, 00:09:56.319 --> 00:09:59.712 and we know they will come back in three months' time 00:09:59.833 --> 00:10:02.638 to serve their sentence to the end. 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:06.838 I have to say that even the prisoners are not looking forward to this, 00:10:06.959 --> 00:10:10.801 because they would like to serve their entire prison sentence 00:10:10.922 --> 00:10:14.675 as soon as possible, to return to a normal life. 00:10:14.796 --> 00:10:18.993 This is a temporary measure, 00:10:19.181 --> 00:10:26.561 but how long do you think this is going to last? 00:10:26.682 --> 00:10:29.803 Could this end in the foreseeable future, 00:10:29.924 --> 00:10:33.799 or what are some systemic measures? 00:10:33.981 --> 00:10:40.796 We cannot just keep repeating this measure indefinitely. 00:10:40.917 --> 00:10:43.632 As far as the spatial situation is concerned, 00:10:43.753 --> 00:10:47.688 I hope that this time next year we will move the prisoners 00:10:47.809 --> 00:10:52.329 from the Ljubljana Povšetova prison to the new Dobrunje prison, 00:10:52.450 --> 00:10:54.614 where there are larger capacities. 00:10:54.735 --> 00:10:58.601 I hope that both the wage reform and today's measures 00:10:58.722 --> 00:11:04.329 will bring in new judicial police officers. 00:11:04.731 --> 00:11:10.790 As a minister I'm also counting on the European Union 00:11:10.911 --> 00:11:14.752 to take appropriate measures in terms of regulating migration, 00:11:14.873 --> 00:11:18.479 and that the number of illegal migrations 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.245 will be reduced so that there will be less pressure on Europe. 00:11:22.366 --> 00:11:28.715 But we also need to look at our Penal Code, 00:11:28.836 --> 00:11:33.100 whether certain penalties are too high in comparison with others 00:11:33.221 --> 00:11:35.391 or whether they also deviate substantially 00:11:35.512 --> 00:11:38.395 from what is dictated to us by the European directive. 00:11:38.516 --> 00:11:44.282 Another question. We can read about the conviction of a prisoner 00:11:44.403 --> 00:11:49.210 who sexually assaulted a cleaner while serving a prison sentence. 00:11:49.331 --> 00:11:54.294 Do you think that such cases are attributable 00:11:54.415 --> 00:12:00.701 to a lack of supervision, a lack of staff in prisons? 00:12:01.087 --> 00:12:06.527 I've seen this case in the media, but I don't know the details, 00:12:06.648 --> 00:12:09.552 so it's difficult for me to comment on them. 00:12:09.673 --> 00:12:13.975 I have no knowledge of this happening during my mandate. 00:12:14.096 --> 00:12:17.736 Do you think there are sufficient measures for the safety of the staff? 00:12:17.857 --> 00:12:24.358 I'm in close contact with all the wardens of the individual prisons, 00:12:24.479 --> 00:12:26.397 I visit them regularly, 00:12:26.518 --> 00:12:31.426 and as part of this I also talk to the judicial police officers 00:12:31.547 --> 00:12:34.179 and all the other professionals, the mentors 00:12:34.300 --> 00:12:36.362 who work in the prison system. 00:12:36.483 --> 00:12:39.372 Not once has it come to my attention 00:12:39.493 --> 00:12:43.410 that their security has been poorly taken care of. 00:12:43.531 --> 00:12:45.691 But it's true, and we need to be aware 00:12:45.812 --> 00:12:48.538 that we have had incidents in the past 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:51.766 where prisoners have attacked judicial police officers, 00:12:51.887 --> 00:12:57.131 that they are prisoners and that this can happen repeatedly. 00:12:58.085 --> 00:13:00.291 Thank you, and now we move to the web 00:13:00.412 --> 00:13:04.176 for a question by Vitomir Petrović, Planet TV. 00:13:07.187 --> 00:13:08.937 Can you hear me? -Yes. 00:13:09.667 --> 00:13:11.267 Hello. 00:13:11.393 --> 00:13:16.103 Not only prisons, courts are also dealing with space constraints. 00:13:16.224 --> 00:13:21.146 While we're still waiting for the resolution of the Litijska building, 00:13:21.267 --> 00:13:23.734 let's look back a bit. 00:13:24.153 --> 00:13:29.068 One of the examples is the court building at Cafova in Maribor. 00:13:29.189 --> 00:13:34.605 Back in 2017, your predecessor Mr. Klemenčič, 00:13:34.726 --> 00:13:39.599 and then in 2018, you wanted to buy half of this building. 00:13:40.327 --> 00:13:43.013 You had an official appraisal, 00:13:43.134 --> 00:13:45.930 commissioned by the Ministry of Justice, 00:13:46.051 --> 00:13:51.162 that the market value of this part of the building is four million. 00:13:51.283 --> 00:13:57.351 Yet both of you signed off 00:13:57.945 --> 00:14:02.910 on buying the building for six million euros, 00:14:03.031 --> 00:14:07.306 so for two million more. How is that possible? 00:14:07.910 --> 00:14:11.914 The story of the premises of the Maribor court is longer. 00:14:12.035 --> 00:14:15.820 Minister Šturm during the time of Janša's government, 00:14:16.029 --> 00:14:18.944 if I remember correctly, 00:14:19.065 --> 00:14:20.665 first bought a building 00:14:20.786 --> 00:14:25.478 half of which was found to have been exchanged 00:14:25.599 --> 00:14:28.114 for the current Maribor court building. 00:14:28.616 --> 00:14:32.798 The other half was bought from the Kovina Projekt company 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:36.854 by DSU, Management and Consultancy Company, 00:14:36.975 --> 00:14:40.273 also during the time of Janša's government, 00:14:40.394 --> 00:14:43.796 which entered into a contract with the Ministry of Justice. 00:14:43.917 --> 00:14:48.624 When we looked at the calculations, the rent was very, very high. 00:14:48.745 --> 00:14:52.472 And if my predecessor, Minister Klemenčič, and myself 00:14:52.593 --> 00:14:57.090 had not decided to buy it ... We entered into negotiations with DSU. 00:14:57.211 --> 00:15:01.084 The first valuation was 14 million for the whole building. 00:15:01.205 --> 00:15:04.110 We would have paid a much higher rent 00:15:04.231 --> 00:15:08.152 than what we have spent to buy these premises. 00:15:09.082 --> 00:15:14.549 Anything else? I think you got all the answers by e-mail already. 00:15:14.670 --> 00:15:16.670 Yes. 00:15:17.040 --> 00:15:22.480 The initial value for the first building in 2006, 00:15:22.650 --> 00:15:25.468 and the new courthouse was just being built, 00:15:25.589 --> 00:15:28.846 was 13 million. 00:15:29.815 --> 00:15:36.527 You claim the state budget paid 12.3 million. 00:15:37.031 --> 00:15:41.044 But it's not taken into account that in the meantime, 00:15:41.165 --> 00:15:48.111 you have paid an additional 5.5 million just for the rent alone. 00:15:48.533 --> 00:15:54.547 So in fact the state paid out almost 18 million euros, 00:15:55.234 --> 00:15:58.974 and still the two million euros 00:15:59.226 --> 00:16:03.293 are well over the first estimate of 13 million, 00:16:03.646 --> 00:16:07.209 which is the actual value of this building. 00:16:07.586 --> 00:16:10.277 Again, if the Ministry of Justice 00:16:10.398 --> 00:16:14.839 wouldn't have also bought the other part of the building, 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:20.801 the rent by the end of 2028 would be significantly higher 00:16:20.922 --> 00:16:22.621 than the purchase price. 00:16:22.742 --> 00:16:26.963 We bought the building from DSU, a state-owned company, 00:16:27.084 --> 00:16:31.900 we were not able to negotiate a lower price. 00:16:32.021 --> 00:16:33.621 That was the value, 00:16:33.742 --> 00:16:36.793 but again, we were driven purely by cost-effectiveness, 00:16:36.914 --> 00:16:38.514 we wanted to remediate 00:16:38.635 --> 00:16:43.807 a relatively harmful deal made by one of the former ministers. 00:16:43.928 --> 00:16:48.864 Thank you, this concludes today's press conference. Goodbye.